{"id":1150,"date":"2009-01-28T05:18:05","date_gmt":"2009-01-28T10:18:05","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/arxivblog.com\/?p=1150"},"modified":"2009-01-29T13:16:05","modified_gmt":"2009-01-29T18:16:05","slug":"massive-miscalculation-makes-lhc-safety-assurances-invalid","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/arxivblog.com\/?p=1150","title":{"rendered":"Massive miscalculation makes LHC safety assurances invalid"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-1151\" title=\"lhc-risk\" src=\"http:\/\/arxivblog.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/01\/lhc-risk.png\" alt=\"lhc-risk\" width=\"344\" height=\"114\" srcset=\"http:\/\/arxivblog.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/01\/lhc-risk.png 956w, http:\/\/arxivblog.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/01\/lhc-risk-300x99.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 344px) 100vw, 344px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>It just gets worse for CERN and its attempts to reassure us that the Large Hadron Collider won&#8217;t make mincemeat of the planet.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s beginning to look as if a massive miscalculation in the safety reckonings means that CERN scientists cannot offer any assurances about the work they&#8217;re doing.<\/p>\n<p>In a truly frightening study, Toby Ord and pals at the University of Oxford say that &#8220;while the arguments for the safety of the LHC are commendable for their thoroughness, they are not infallible.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>When physicists give a risk assessment, their figure is only correct if their argument is valid. So an important questions is then: what are the chances that the reasoning is flawed?<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p>Ord and co say that roughly one in a 1000 scientific papers have to be withdrawn because of errors. And errors are by no means unknown among particle physicists, even those doing safety calculations<\/p>\n<p>The Oxford team points to a 1999 study of the risk of a &#8220;dangerous event&#8221; at the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider at the Brookhaven National Laboratory in New York state.   This study calculated that the chance  of such an event was tiny: 2 x 10^-9.<\/p>\n<p>On the strength of this study, the Collider was deemed safe and operated for five years before a serious error was found in the calculations.   (It turned out that the actual risk was closer to 10^-12 but the important point is that there was an error).<\/p>\n<p>The problem is compounded when the chances of a planet-destroying event are deemed to be tiny. In that case, these chances are dwarfed by the chances of an error in the argument. &#8220;If the probability estimate given by an argument is dwarfed by the chance that the argument itself is flawed, then the estimate is suspect,&#8221; say Ord and co.<\/p>\n<p>Nobody at CERN has put a figure on the chances of the LHC destroying the planet. One study simply said: &#8220;there is no risk of any significance whatsoever from such black holes&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>Which means we are left with the possibility that their argument is wrong which Ord reckons conservatively to be about 10^-4,  meaning that  out of a sample of 10,000 independent arguments of similar apparent merit, one would have a serious error.<\/p>\n<p>Of course,  this doesn&#8217;t mean that the LHC is dangerous, only that there is no reasonable assurance of  safety which, as <a href=\"http:\/\/www.newscientist.com\/article\/mg20126926.800-how-do-we-know-the-lhc-really-is-safe.html\">Mark Buchanan writing in New Scientist this week<\/a> says, is not the same thing at all.<\/p>\n<p>Even still, when it comes to the lives of 6.5 billion people, we need to have better assurances than this.<\/p>\n<p>Ref: <a href=\"http:\/\/arxiv.org\/abs\/0810.5515\">arxiv.org\/abs\/0810.5515<\/a>: Probing the Improbable: Methodological Challenges Risks with Low Probabilities and High Stakes<\/p>\n<p>[Via <a href=\"http:\/\/www.newscientist.com\">New Scientist<\/a>]<\/p>\n<p>Update: as an aid to the discussion <a href=\"http:\/\/lsag.web.cern.ch\/lsag\/LSAG-Report.pdf\">here is a link to CERN&#8217;s analysis of the safety of LHC collisions<\/a>, which was published last year.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>It just gets worse for CERN and its attempts to reassure us that the Large Hadron Collider won&#8217;t make mincemeat of the planet. It&#8217;s beginning to look as if a massive miscalculation in the safety reckonings means that CERN scientists cannot offer any assurances about the work they&#8217;re doing. In a truly frightening study, Toby [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[10,6,9],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1150","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-fightin","category-hellraisin","category-mean-machines"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/arxivblog.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1150","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/arxivblog.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/arxivblog.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/arxivblog.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/arxivblog.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=1150"}],"version-history":[{"count":4,"href":"http:\/\/arxivblog.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1150\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":1154,"href":"http:\/\/arxivblog.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1150\/revisions\/1154"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/arxivblog.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=1150"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/arxivblog.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=1150"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/arxivblog.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=1150"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}